Hi, Nikki. Hi, Andy. So you took over the podcast for this week. You interviewed Alex. I just wanted to talk to you to get some context for this episode. Why did you want to do this and what was the, what was the gist? You just told me not to ask you what you talked about, but I'm going to ask you what you talked about. Okay. So we finished the Caribbean 600 at the beginning of March. And these

events are always so crazy. They're like two weeks of chaos. We're working super hard. There's

parties. There's racing. There's recovery. there's, you know, and then everyone just

disperses. And it's really nice to be able to kind of get together and reflect on the experience.

So we should say that this was like, this was the first of your new 59 North offshore

racing program passages that were doing. So that's what you're talking about here, right? Right. And I mean, to be honest, it went so well. And me and Alex has so much fun that we just wanted a reason to like hang out and talk about it again. Nice. Yeah. So, um, yeah. And, and to share it. Like it's, it's a kind of a crazy small world that no one really knows about.

And it's, um, you know, kind of covered in this like illusion of, um, you know, maybe grandeur and,

um, and smart clothing and sexy boats. And like, I just, I just wanted to bring kind of a wider audience into

the real story. So we've always like I've always been intrigued about offshore sailing specifically

just like for the challenge. I've often thought of it as like, okay, you do these ocean passages,

you get comfortable with that and it's like another way to challenge yourself.

And we actually did, I did the Carab 600 three times on East Bjorn, only having finished it once.

And now the 59 North track record of finishing the Carab 600, we're now one for four, because you guys had to bail as well, because the boat broke.

But it's, I mean, that's kind of like, just talk up for a second about like

why that's not necessarily something to be that disappointed about because of the nature

of offshore racing, particularly that race. Yeah, I mean, I mean, this is just offshore sailing.

And, you know, when you go offshore sailing, there's always risk that things break that you have

to pull in, that you have to leave late, all these things. So offshore racing is the ultra, ultra,

extreme version of offshore sailing. It's like offshore sailing on steroids. So the likelihood

of something breaking or someone breaking is just exponentially increased. So, you know, it's actually,

it's all the same game. And I think if you're, you know, for people who have to retire from a race,

they never really feel like they got short, straught unless it was honestly on the start line

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