Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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Buddha said, the mind is everything, what you think you become.

On tonight's programme, we explore different ways of making sense of the mind, with a conversation about psychotherapy and religion,

a new volume of correspondence between a father and a daughter,

Sigmund Freud and an exhibition that takes us from the pioneering use of electricity

in understanding nerve activity to electro-convulsive therapy and beyond.

That's later.

But first, a conversation between playwright Howard Brenton,

well known for works from Romans in Britain to Spooks,

and the poet Moniser Alvi.

We were planning to talk to them last week,

but the item was displaced by the death of Nelson Mandela.

Both of them have just published works on that most cataclysmic of events,

the birth of Pakistan, the Division of India,

an event which involved the deaths of thousands upon thousands of people in internecine warfare.

Brenton's new play drawing the line conjures up the five weeks

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