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Night Waves - Diarmaid Macculloch

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4.2598 Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2013

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

Church Historian Diarmaid Macculloch joins Anne McElvoy to discuss the role that silence has played in the development of Christianity. David Dewing, director of The Geffrye Museum, argues that the museum sector neglects a focus on the middle classes; historian Selina Todd joins him to debate this idea. Actor Edward Petheridge and gerontologist Raymond Tallis discuss the neurological impact of the two strokes Petheridge suffered whilst rehearsing for the role of King Lear, which is the subject of a new play My Perfect Mind. And film critic Ian Christie remembers the novelist and screenwriter Ruth Prawer Jhabvala.

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0:00.0

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0:21.2

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0:26.1

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0:32.8

from the BBC. For more information and our terms of use, go to BBC.co.uk slash radio three.

0:40.7

A classy debate on tonight's programme, do the middle classes deserve a museum of their own?

0:45.6

The actor Edward Petherbridge will be talking to me about playing King Lear after his own encounter with frailty when he suffered a stroke.

0:52.9

My great big theatrical turn, as we say, in showbiz was going to be leer.

0:58.9

Now I was having to set myself the task of can I walk the length of this corridor by holding the

1:05.2

wall. And when I got to the other end I thought, tomorrow I'm going to walk down the middle of this corridor

1:12.5

without holding the wall.

1:14.1

And we remember the Oscar-winning screenwriter and novelist Ruth Prava Jabvola, who died yesterday.

1:20.0

But first, silence.

1:21.7

In the beginning was the word, says John's gospel.

1:24.4

But the church's devotion to silence soon followed, according to the historian of Christianity, Dermott McCulloch.

1:30.1

His new book, Silence, A Christian History, examines the various roles that saying nothing has played in the development of religion,

1:37.4

from 4th century hermits in the Syrian desert to the silence of monasteries,

1:41.1

but also the darker side of quietness, demonstrated by reluctance in

1:45.9

recent years to face up to clerical child abuse. Dermott joins me now to fill in the gaps.

1:51.4

Dermott, Christianity is built on the word. What's the relationship then between proclaiming

1:56.4

the word and silence? Well, it's built on the word. It's also built on silence. And that word word in John's gospel in the beginning was the word.

2:05.1

It's a funny word because it is the ordinary Greek word for word.

2:08.6

But it's discourse, it's conversation.

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