Welcome back to the home of the oxymoron. Evil genius. He asked the newspaper to print his obituary early so he'd enjoy it. That's like hiding at your own funeral. Yeah, it's a big, great gig. I'm Russell Kane. Join me to weigh in on whether the biggest players in history are more evil or genius. Becoming that rich, I'd say that at some level of genius. It also helps that it's a long time ago, right?

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Hello, and tonight on the programme. The chorus of the Hebrew, a song, but we'llco, a song beloved of the supporters of Italian unification,

but we'll be exploring a more sinister side of the Risul Gimento.

A new TV drama deals with terror, race and MI5 tensions.

We'll be reviewing the heady brew of complicit later on.

But first, Ronald Dawkin, the philosopher philosopher whose writing on law, rights and morality,

stimulated and provoked, far beyond his native world of academic philosophy, died today.

His writings covered the quarrels of the US Constitution, the role of virtue in law,

but also the nitty-gritty ethics of the Human Rights Act and abortion.

Jeffrey Robertson, the leading barrister and human rights campaigner,

joins me now to assess his legacy.

Geoffrey, how did you know Ronald Walker?

I was one of his first students at Oxford in 1970.

He'd just been appointed the Oxford Professor of Jurisprudence

from the great HLA Hart, who was the doyen of, if you like,

Austenian positivism.

Words mean what they say there is no morality to law.

And Ronnie, of course, developed a theory of legal adjudication that did require the judge to infuse law with a form of legal morality,

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