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Night Owls

Outside/In

NHPR

Natural Sciences, Documentary, Science, Nature, Society & Culture

4.71.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 July 2026

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

For over ten years, biologist Mark Higley has been stalking the forests of the Hoopa Valley Reservation with a shotgun. His mission? To save the endangered northern spotted owl. How? By shooting the more aggressive barred owl, which has spread from eastern forests into the Pacific Northwest. In 2024, the federal government made a plan to scale these efforts by killing hundreds of thousands of barred owls across multiple states. Today, despite lawsuits and opposition, that plan is just beginning to ramp up.  But can it really save the northern spotted owl? And is the barred owl really “invasive”… or just expanding its range? In this episode, Nate Hegyi dons a headlamp and heads into the forest with Mark Higley to catch a glimpse of these two rivals, and find out what it takes to kill these charismatic raptors, night after night, in the name of conservation. This episode was first published in 2024.  Featuring Mark Higley, Tom Wheeler, and Wayne Pacelle.  SUPPORT Outside/In is made possible with listener support. Click here to join our Patreon and get ad-free episodes of the podcast.  Follow Outside/In on Instagram, TikTok, or join our private discussion group on Facebook. ADDITIONAL MATERIALS The federal government’s barred owl management plan is very long but they have a helpful list of frequently asked questions. Check out some beautiful photos of Mark Higley’s work in this Audubon magazine story from a few years ago.  Curious about the timber wars? Oregon Public Broadcasting has an excellent podcast miniseries you should listen to.  Animal rights groups have sued to stop the plan from moving forward; in the meantime, People Magazine has reported that culling of barred owls is ramping up in the Yakama Indian Reservation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Mark Higley has some ground rules when he's out in the middle of the night saving owls.

0:05.3

Bring a good pair of hiking boots, a headlamp, spare batteries, and...

0:10.2

Never put one in the chamber until right before you're going to shoot.

0:13.0

Okay, and always empty it completely right after.

0:16.2

We were on a logging road in the Hoopa Valley Reservation in Northern California.

0:27.6

Mark is the chief biologist here, and he was holding a 12-gauge shotgun with a flashlight fixed to its barrel. We were looking for an invasive species that is threatening the northern spotted owl.

0:33.6

You see him.

0:35.6

Mark spotted something, high up in a tree.

0:39.3

I'm gonna shoot.

0:41.3

Okay.

0:45.3

He pulled the trigger.

0:46.3

Dry fire. He forgot to load a shell.

0:49.3

He aimed again.

0:56.6

A ball of fluff fell to the ground.

1:00.3

It was an owl.

1:05.8

Mark does this about three nights a week,

1:08.8

driving around logging roads,

1:10.5

killing one kind of owl to try

1:12.8

and save another. I probably average between one and two birds a night. It depends on the time

1:18.5

of the season.

1:24.7

From NHPR, this is Outside In.

1:31.4

I'm Nate Hedgy.

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