You're listening to Unfiltered with me James O'Brien.

My guest this week is the Rugby Union referee Nigel Owens who, he is the best referee on the planet at the moment, but of course he's also very

much in the public eye for his sexuality coming out as gay in I think 2007 and I've interviewed him on the radio before so I've never met him. He is I think a

brilliant and quite beautiful talker so if this doesn't go well, it's on me. We begin with me almost certainly mispronouncing Munith Kerrig.

No, they're spot on us.

Get in.

That is.

You pronounce that, a lot of Welsh people would do, yeah.

If you translate it, it's mountain of stone, is it?

Is it?

And that's what pretty much it is, yeah.

Small village, top of a mountain population about when I was

bought up there about 140 people really very very small knit close community

yeah so everybody knows everybody knows everybody yeah and a lot of the families and when you go back to

that period when I was born my parents and stuff you were coming from families of five

six seven eight nine children and a lot of them stayed in the village.

So my dad was one of seven.

There were two of them living in the village.

My dad, Mencla, still lives there.

There were the families where five or six of the kids have still lived there.

So yeah, still really very close communities.

And is it still like that now or is it dissipated a little bit?

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