Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, The Spectator's Daily Politics podcast.

I'm Megan McElroy and I'm joined today by Tim Shipman and James Heel.

We've just found out what a reform government might look like.

James, you were there. You've still got your wristband on.

I do.

Tell us who's in, who's out and what the briefs are. Right. Well, we only have five of them today. It was rather like a sort of game show, I think, watching it. It was like a take me out to a weakest link. These sort of four hopefuls were gathered on stage. And Mr Farage, they'd introduce them. They got four minutes to speak and then the light went off. And so much thinking of sort of Paddy McGuinness, no likey, no lighty. These were the

ones he very much did likey. So first introduced with Richard Tice, the long-time deputy leader. He's

been given a kind of souped up brief of energy, business trade. Next up was Robert Jenrick,

the long-awaited appointment of shadowed chancellor. He got that. He was more sort of pugilistic in his style, much more sort of parliamentary bashing Rachel or his record in office, always sometimes, perhaps he needed to be what you're against, rather than what you're for. Then third was Dear Yusuf and Home Affairs. He's got that role, very much focusing on the kind of USP of reform, this of political economy, which is stopping the boats.

And then finally completing the quartet of hopefuls of Sir Sula Brabant, given the role of education and skills plus equalities.

And I was struck that she got the most applause, probably because she lent into the cultural war issue.

She was talking about transitioning at schools, complete ban on that.

She was saying on day one schools, complete ban on that.

She was saying on day one, she'd abolish her own posters, equality's office, thunderous applause from the audience. And then really it was just sort of a chance to say that, look, with a credible top team, Farage was making a key point that's sort of saying that, you know, previously Farage's support, used it in a third person, which is a slightly odd moment, but sort of Farage's support and reform support, very different things. Now they're the same in the sense that if he'd fallen under Bustamorrow, he argues the party would cease to exist, but now is actually sort of multi-generational for people on the top team. Of course, you then consider head of policy, Denny Kruger, Chief Whip and Welfare Spokesman, Le Anderson.

And I think the whole point is about addition. And so the coming months and years, we'll see more people added to this in different roles. Tim, Nigel Farage is going to be sharing the stage in a much more formal way now. How do you think he's going to find that? Well, look, it's one of those bands that may have now introduced some guitarists and a drummer, but it still

has a very dominant frontman, doesn't it? This is not Oasis. This is the Rolling Stones with

Mick at the front in the guise of Nigel, still very much the dominant kind of personality there.

I mean, look, we've kind of known for a while

Robert Gemerick was going to be the shadow chancellor. When we interviewed him just after his

defection, he was already kind of making the economic argument. Then it was pretty clear that

was the job he was going to get. I mean, a couple things strike me. One of which is that Richard

Tice is now the new John Prescott, the chap, who's the deputy leader,

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