Nigel Farage gaslights the nation
The Two Matts
The New World
4.2 • 577 Ratings
🗓️ 3 June 2026
⏱️ 39 minutes
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Summary
The Matts discuss the dreadful murder of Henry Nowak and the ensuing political reaction. In particular, they examine Reform UK leader Nigel Farage’s apparent strategy to leverage the murder for maximum political advantage - seeking exactly the division and hatred Henry’s grieving father has warned against. This is a taste of what to expect for the next three years as Farage seeks power. And a dark warning for the kind of Britain he would preside over if ever elected.
Produced by Matt Withers
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| 0:00.0 | What Henry Novak's father said was, we do not want his death used to create further division, hatred or tension. |
| 0:10.0 | You know, let's not pretend. |
| 0:13.0 | I mean, the fire, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, right? But there was no obligation upon Farage to throw a match upon it. |
| 0:22.5 | But he did. |
| 0:25.1 | Henry's father said, |
| 0:26.4 | we want his story to make our streets safer for everyone. |
| 0:30.7 | This is not a case about Sikhism. |
| 0:33.1 | This is not a case about racism. |
| 0:35.4 | This is a case about murder. |
| 0:37.4 | And I thought that was the perfect |
| 0:40.0 | framing for how the conversation should unfold. Hello and happy Wednesday, everybody. |
| 0:48.5 | Happy Wednesday, one at all. We've brought the podcast forward because we wanted to address the dreadful issues that are |
| 0:58.3 | arising around the murder of Henry Novak and Matt and I have just watched Prime |
| 1:06.4 | Minister's questions and there's a lot to get into we there is yeah sooner than later so um |
| 1:14.6 | uh matt what when i saw um the body let's let's get let's let's get some stuff emotional stuff |
| 1:24.5 | out of the way first when i saw the body camp I think a father |
| 1:29.2 | any father watching that in particular any parent watching that could be |
| 1:34.0 | nothing but absolutely struck with with pure yeah yeah such an appalling |
| 1:40.6 | circumstance and then this poor lad's father, Mark Novak, standing on the court, |
| 1:48.3 | I was struck by two things. |
| 1:49.8 | One was the just enormous dignity of the words he said. |
| 1:54.0 | But it also occurred to me that that families lived with that knowledge for knowledge for well nearly 18 months now |
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