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no bull and the aftermath.

It will likely end with a calamitous cyber-induced cyber attack, you know, something that would

take out the grid that could contaminate our water, that could then hold up hospitals

ransomware so they have to turn away patients.

The piece of that we have seen, we saw Russia take out the power in Ukraine, we saw a hacker

the other week try to get into a water treatment facility or successfully get into a water

treatment facility in Florida and up the level of lie in the water and we see hospitals

held ransomware with attacks every day and I don't think it's that far off that a nation

state or anyone really would try to pull off some kind of coordinated attack that plays

on all three of those things or potentially causes an explosion and unfortunately I don't

think that the American public and legislators in the market is going to do anything differently

until we have that glaring visceral attack.

I'm Jack Goldsmith and this is the LawFair podcast March 19, 2021.

I sat down with New York Times Cybersecurity reporter Nicole Paraluth about her new book

This is how they tell me the world ends, the cyber weapons arms race.

We discussed the dark world of markets for zero-day vulnerabilities that are so vital

in offensive cyber operations, the history of the markets, how they work, who the players

are and why the United States doesn't control as much as it used to.

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