Nicole and Sasheer Talk Political Strategy (w/ Anat Shenker-Osorio)
Best Friends with Nicole Byer and Sasheer Zamata
Headgum
4.9 • 5K Ratings
🗓️ 18 March 2026
⏱️ 82 minutes
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Summary
Nicole and Sasheer are thrilled to welcome a special guest, political strategist and host of the Words to Win By podcast, Anat Shenker-Osorio! Our trio gets into the current political climate, the background behind different messaging strategies we’ve seen recently, and how we can help each other as friends and a community during difficult times.
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| 0:00.0 | This is a headgum podcast. |
| 0:13.9 | Nicole? |
| 0:15.1 | Ola. |
| 0:17.1 | We have a guest today. |
| 0:18.9 | Girl. |
| 0:23.1 | It's shocking, I know. |
| 0:24.7 | I know. |
| 0:25.0 | It's just usually the two of us. |
| 0:26.4 | It's so crazy to have somebody else here. |
| 0:28.4 | Yes. |
| 0:29.1 | I couldn't believe that's what just happened. |
| 0:30.8 | It's so funny. |
| 0:32.6 | Clipboard jumped out of your hand. |
| 0:35.1 | Today we have Anat Shanker Osorio, who conducts original research into |
| 0:40.1 | perception and persuasion and host Words to Win by, a podcast about how we've achieved progressive |
| 0:46.7 | victories around the world. She's led research for new messaging on issues ranging from unions |
| 0:51.9 | to clean energy and from immigrant rights to repealing |
| 0:55.1 | abortion bans. |
| 0:56.2 | Her work has been featured in The New York Times, Rolling Stones, the Atlantic, the New Yorker, |
| 1:00.6 | the Washington Post, The Guardian, and others. |
| 1:03.8 | We have a knot here. |
| 1:05.5 | Hello. |
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