NICK THOMPSON | Breaking Bad Legacy
Order of Man
Ryan Michler
4.8 • 9K Ratings
🗓️ 4 November 2025
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
Whether we acknowledge it or not, there are certain behaviors and mindsets that are etched into our psyche by our fathers. And, if we cannot be aware of what they are, we lose any hope of having power over them and charting new paths for ourselves and our children.
Today, I'm joined by Nick Thompson, CEO of The Atlantic, to talk about the legacy his father left and how he is trying to break the string of mindsets that hindered, not helped. We talk about how do adapt when plans don't work, the power of the meritocracy, how to overcome the victimhood mentality, creating powerful and healthy outlets, and the mantras that have served him well and that he wishes to instill in his children.
SHOW HIGHLIGHTS
00:00 – The New York Marathon disaster
02:00 – Pushing through with mantras
03:40 – Planning, pace, and preparation
05:30 – Travel stress and overcommitment
07:37 – The power of mental reframing
08:11 – Continuous forward motion
10:35 – Learning from past failures
11:58 – "On to Cincinnati" mindset
15:23 – Lessons from failure and legacy
20:29 – How his father inspired running
21:34 – Finding identity through running
23:35 – Parenting and discipline
25:32 – Lockdown marathon story
27:40 – Breaking generational cycles
30:57 – Lessons from his father's downfall
33:18 – The danger of victim mentality
37:17 – Teaching resilience to his sons
39:13 – Soccer as a meritocratic equalizer
42:07 – Shared humanity through sport
45:01 – The importance of men talking openly
46:01 – Running as leadership training
48:21 – Endurance, pacing, and goal setting
49:59 – The Running Ground book
50:38 – Closing remarks
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| 0:00.0 | Whether we acknowledge it or not, there are certain behaviors and mindsets that are etched into our psyche by our fathers. |
| 0:08.3 | And if we cannot be aware of what those are, we lose any hope of having power over them and charting new paths for ourselves and for our children. |
| 0:17.7 | Today I'm joined by Nick Thompson, CEO of the Atlantic and author of the book, |
| 0:22.6 | The Running Ground, to talk about the legacy his father left and how he is trying to break the |
| 0:28.2 | string of mindsets that hindered him, not helped him. We talk about how to adapt when plans don't |
| 0:34.9 | work, the power of the meritocracy, how to overcome the victimhood |
| 0:40.1 | mentality, creating powerful and healthy outlets and the mantras that have served him well |
| 0:46.2 | and that he wishes to instill in his children. You're a man of action. You live life to the fullest. |
| 0:51.8 | Embrace your fears and boldly chart your own path. When life knocks you down, you get back up one more time, every time. You are not easily deterred or defeated, rugged, resilient, strong. This is your life. This is who you are. This is who you will become. At the end of the day, and after all is said and done, |
| 1:11.6 | you can call yourself a man. |
| 1:13.6 | Gentlemen, welcome to the Order of Man podcast. |
| 1:16.6 | I am Ryan Mickler. |
| 1:17.6 | I'm the host and the founder, and I'm glad that you're here. |
| 1:20.6 | We are celebrating this year our 10-year anniversary, |
| 1:23.6 | and I just want to tell you that I am very grateful |
| 1:26.6 | for you tuning in, for you listening, |
| 1:29.0 | for you applying the information, serving your families, serving your businesses. Lord knows that we |
| 1:34.6 | need men to step up as men. I was having a conversation just yesterday with my girlfriend and we were |
| 1:39.9 | talking about how society tries to make women more like men and make men more like women. |
| 1:47.6 | And my job is to fight that trend. My job is to rebel against it and help reclaim and restore |
| 1:54.7 | masculinity too. It's rightful place and help men step up and use their masculine characteristics for the benefit of themselves |
| 2:02.8 | and other people in righteous ways. So I've got a great conversation for you today. Just before I do, |
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