So the point of saying is that, you know, it's kind of this tragedy that we get into relationships, we want to be in love, we want to be connected with another. We've all got this desire. And we end up in really difficult scenarios because we're not relationally competent. And we don't know how to work through some of the challenges that we face. All right. Nick, how are you doing today, brother? I'm doing great. Thanks for having me on the show.

Yeah, it's so interesting to see how life unfolds sometimes. For those of you that are out there listening to this, Nick, I think I met you, I met your brother. I remember having coffee at JJ being with your brother. And it's probably a decade ago,

you know, which is a pretty wild thing in Vancouver, in Falls Creek. I met you a number of times.

It's just been really cool to see your life, your career unfold. So I'm excited to have you

on the show and have this conversation now. Let's start where we always start.

I have some random follow-up questions.

But let's start where we always start, which is tell us a story about a defining moment in your life that made you who you are today.

Well, there's a lot of stories I would like to maybe tell.

Might maybe make me look good or puff up my ego a bit. The thing that comes to mind is actually

a moment in 2016. And I was in a really tough point in my life. I was making $2,000 a month,

and that was after tax. My rent was $1,000, which, man, that was the glory days of paying

rent. And I was 20,000 some odd dollars in debt. So if you do the math, you kind of get a

sense of, okay, it makes in a tough spot. I later learned that actually 20,000 wasn't a lot

compared to what some people were struggling with, quarter of a million,

million dollars in personal debt and just really in bad situations. But for me, I was working a job that I hated. I was working at a car dealership in service. I was basically a shuttle driver,

checking people in, taking them to their home or moving their car around, just doing this job for $16 an hour that I

hated. And every morning I'd have to rush there, you know, 6.6.30 in the morning rush to the dealership.

I was driving about 45 minutes to work. And sometimes, actually often, most days, I would hit

the snooze button and sleep in because I didn't care

about this job. I didn't want to go there. I wanted nothing to do with it. And one morning I'm

doing about 90 kilometers an hour in a 50 zone just past city cigar. I think that's on 6th Ave

in Vancouver, for those of you know the area. And I get tagged by a cop on a bike. He pulls me over. And the icing on the cake here is,

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