We're all complicit, you know, in this society. One way or another. As soon as you send

a check to an electric company, you're giving away your agency. You're giving away your

vote in what's happening in that particular part of nature.

From the Ted Audio Collective, this is Design Matters with Debbie Milman. For 17 years,

Debbie Milman has been talking with designers and other creative people about what they do,

how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about and working on. On this

episode, Nick Offerman talks about his career and about the perilous state of the natural

world. I'm hopeful that we can still turn it around in time to enjoy a sandwich in

another 50 years.

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Nick Offerman is a famous comedian and actor, so you probably know a lot about him. You

most certainly know that he played Amy Puller's boss Ron Swanson on the sitcom Parks and

Recreation, and you might know he's married to Megan Malali of Willing Grace, and he appeared

on that show as a plumber. But did you know that Nick Offerman is also a professional

boat builder, and that he's written not one, not two, but five really funny books? His

latest is where the deer and the antelope play, the pastoral observations of one ignorant

American who loves to walk outside. He joins me to talk about his remarkably variegated

career and to talk about his brand new book. Nick Offerman, welcome to Design Matters.

Thank you so much. I'm so pleased to be here.

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