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Welcome to the Nerdist Podcast number 421. It is a Friday that we're releasing this October 11th.

In two days, walking and talking dead are coming back on the air. So tune in,

AMC 9 and 10 o'clock. We're on right after walking dead.

That's in the premiere episode. It's really fucking great.

Can't wait. The trailer is like amazing. It's got Gimpo.

He's the new guy in town. He's a new kid on the block. He's a new kid on the block.

And he's doing a fantastic job and apparently episodes two and three,

like the show just starts one level here. I'll just call that here.

And then just fucking jumps. That's great. Like each, it just gets crazier and crazier.

So I think we're going to see an upswing in like a really good storytelling on TV post-breaking

bed of like how to escalate things kind of kind of raised TV's game. Yeah. And they have for

the past few years, but I think especially after this last run of episodes, everyone's going to be like,

we can just really go for it. I think it's going to we're going to see a change.

Yes. I think you should push your glasses up at the end of it. I think we're going to see a change

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