Hey, TED Talks Daily listeners.

Today we have something a little different.

This is an episode of Design Matters with Debbie Millman, another podcast in the TED Audio Collective.

I'm a huge Debbie Milman fan.

I've really enjoyed our conversations.

Debbie has these wonderful, warm chats with incredibly creative people

about how they design the arc of their lives. If you like it, you can find and follow design

matters wherever you're listening to this. Nick Offerman is a famous comedian and actor,

so you probably know a lot about him.

You most certainly know that he played Amy Poller's boss Ron Swanson on the sitcom Parks and Recreation.

And you might know he's married to Megan Malale of Will & Grace, and he appeared on that show as a plumber.

But did you know that Nick Offerman is also a professional boat builder?

And that he's written not one, not two, but five really funny books.

His latest is Where the Deer and the Antelope Play,

the pastoral observations of one ignorant American who loves to walk outside.

He joins me to talk about his remarkably variegated career and to talk about his brand new book.

Nick Offerman, welcome to design matters.

Thank you so much.

I'm so pleased to be here.

So is it true that your ultimate soundtrack for lovemaking is Peter Gabriel's music for the last temptation of Christ?

Well, I mean, you'd be hard pressed to find a more suitable record.

You know, it has it has romance, it has ambiance, and it also has

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