So I'm trying to understand if you're actually, you think that it's all black people are like this,

or if your world is kind of colored by, this is what's going on in America, this has failed for

a thousand reason.

Wellfarism has definitely, I mean, black people in 1940s stand up.

My grandfather, I talk about that denigration and the corrosion of culture.

That's happening.

White, black, whatever you want to name it, there is this intentional corrosion of culture. So do you think it's literally, well, this is just what a black person is when they come out? Or do you think that post-welfare, LBJ, great society, this is what black Americans have become. And I have a right to respond to that

and say that as a white man, I don't want to live there. Well, you know, I think it's more nature

than people would like to believe. You know, there's this classic tension of, is it nature,

or is it nurture? Is it cultural or is it intrinsic? Is it racial? And I've always been on the latter side of this among conservatives.

Conservatives like to say it's all culture. Black America is the way it is because of hip-hop music

and the great society and that kind of stuff. And I think the uncomfortable reality is a big part of

it is intrinsic. You know, one of the big arguments against the abolition of slavery in the 1860s is that, you know, when Europeans colonized Africa, they hadn't discovered the wheel.

There's no two-story buildings.

That's crazy.

No will?

No two-story buildings?

I wonder if they had fire no probably got dark because all you could see was eyes and teeth yeah got new show for y'all got a damn good show

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so if they didn't have a will i know they didn't have no fire oh and he couldn't if it's if they didn't have a will, I know they didn't have no fire.

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