Welcome to the Eric Metaxis show with your host, Eric Mettaxas.

Folks, welcome the program.

We've got a lot of interesting guests today but right now um we're talking

to a journalist from rebel news uh to talk about what's been going on with this pastor in canada

pastor tim stevens adam sues am I pronouncing that right?

That's right. That works.

Adam, what part of Canada are you in?

And how do you know, have you been covering this situation with these Canadian pastures being oppressed, suppressed, persecuted by the Canadian government?

Yeah, so I'm in Western Canada, not quite on the coast, though, Alberta, so we're kind of

the Texas of Canada, and I'm in Calgary, so it's kind of the oil country of Canada.

So very, very generally conservative kind of territory.

So I've been covering the story pretty closely.

My colleague, Sheila Gunn-Reed, dealt with James Coates up at Grace Life Church. That's the church, as you likely saw, which was fully fenced off and completely shut down, and the pastor spent 35 days in jail. Since that time, I've spent quite a bit of time with Pastor Artur Pavlowski. Of course, you've likely seen the viral video of him

shouting, get out, get out, and the authorities fleeing rapidly. So I was intimately connected with

that story. And now most recently I've been on the story of Pastor Tim Stevens. So in our

province alone, we have had three pastors arrested simply for gathering for worship.

Well, we've had this kind of thing going on in the United States, but we haven't had

arrests.

We've had persecution fines a lot of trouble.

The idea of arresting a pastor seems to be, to us in the United States, to be extraordinary, bad optics.

Why is the Canadian government, do you think, taking these kinds of horrific actions?

Well, one of the great ironies is that our Premier, who's effectively like the Governor of a State,

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