I am Anthony Scaramucci and you may know me from my career on Wall Street or my 11 days in the White House.

They say you can't teach an old dog new tricks, but I'll tell you, if you read books, you can.

I love to read and my new podcast Open Book is about just that.

Each book is this curated source of knowledge which we can buy for ten dollars and

digest in ten hours together with some of the brightest minds and

authors out there, I'll turn the pages on everything from history and psychology to

finance and tech. You can find open book with Anthony

Scaramuchi on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcast. I hope to see

you there. Hey everybody it's Joe Trippy and welcome back to a special guest

episode of that trippy show.

Today we welcome an old friend, Nicholas Groen.

We met after the Dean campaign in Australia.

And I got to tell you, it was great to be in your country Nicholas and but what was more

interesting to me was how Nicholas you were interested in how we brought people together in the Dean campaign, and my ideas about technology and how we could use it to build a stronger democracy.

But I was really intrigued back then. And this was right after the

Dean campaign about your idea about how to make people communicate, give them the opportunity to

communicate and exchange ideas and how that would make

democracy much more vibrant.

And now we find ourselves in this battle in America.

I want our listeners to hear your thoughts because I've thought for almost a, well, better

part of a decade and a half now that you were onto something.

But now I'm sort of concerned because we're in this short term, got a, you know, the

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