Don't hold anything too tightly. Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the intention

of real truth for you, and then let it go.

For me, our soul is like it's unbound, it's limitless, but we will use words to limit ourselves.

When people stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming, we turn

to ourselves, and that's where you become empowered.

Courageous participation attracts positive things.

I'm Gwyneth Paltrow, and this is the Goop podcast, where we bring together thought leaders,

scientists, healers, creatives, and seekers. I'm so grateful to be able to interview these

bright minds and share their incredible wisdom with you. And I especially love listening to

the conversations that are led by my brilliant co-host and friend, Erica Chitty.

Erica is the CEO and co-founder of Loom, and she's been a part of the Goop family since the

beginning days. We believe it's simply asking questions and listening has the power to change

the way we see the world. I'll let Erica fill you in on her guest today.

Robin DiAngelo is a lecturer on issues of racial and social justice, and she's also the best

selling author of White Fragility. Her most recent book, Nice Racism, picks up her White Fragility

left off, and then she makes the argument that well-meaning white progressives can cause the most

daily racial harm to black and indigenous people of color. She explains how white progressives

perceive themselves as being well-past racism, and why people of color find it difficult to have

conversations about race and racism with them. Today, Robin and I talk about how individualism

upholds white supremacy and the difference between being nice and being kind. We talk about how shame

keeps people from engaging in honest conversations about race. We talk about how shame and guilt

keeps people from engaging in honest conversations about race. As Robin reminds us, anti-racist work

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