The The Crucible. My name is Pedro, otherwise known as Bog. I'm really just a regular guy, but that's what they name. The internet has deem me. This is my co-host, Andrew. Say what's up, Andrew. How's going tonight, everybody?

Tonight we have a special show for you. We have a legend on the set, a very good debater.

I mean, this guy's written books.

He's probably stood with the Titans and, you know, held his own and definitely took some of them down.

It is the one and only Jay Dyer.

Say what's up, Jay.

Hey, man.

Thanks for having me.

Glad to be here.

It's an honor.

Yeah. Jay, you've,

you've written quite a few books, haven't you? I've written two and working on two more.

Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. My wife kind of listens to your program religiously. I do every chance I get. Tonight we're gonna talk about the infiltration

of the Protestant church by the LGBTQ outreach.

I've come across these programs as I've been researching this.

I do a lot of debates against transgender and people who are homosexual advocates.

And one of the things that I found is that a lot of their financial documents from large groups,

this would include groups like family equality, etc. They often run finance programs that have massive outreach

to LGBTQ churches. And I was wondering if you had kind of come across at that in any of your

research and kind of could outline for us maybe what you found or not found on that.

Well, my knowledge of this topic is situated in the larger domain of what's called soft power.

So I don't know if you guys are familiar with that.

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