But before we get to the bets for tonight, I want to do a little more national football league off the conversation. We had to close our number three specifically on the Eagles Vikings because, you know, I think both of us agree, kind of bill should be

Definitely more than seven against the Titans. I kind of can't believe that point spread. So when I come in with like two and a half three and I understand as a huge difference between the two numbers.

I think like it's probably like 2.75 is probably just about right here. Maybe I'm giving Minnesota too much credit. It's not that I think like the Vikings are going to be great this year because I feel like cousins will kind of do what he always does and the Vikings are probably going to do what they always do.

I think they're probably going to finish nine and eight. The division's not great. I do think that they're going to be better. And I think there's a case to be made that the Vikings and Eagles are both like the same amount of better heading into the season.

Like I don't think you can discount the improvement in coach. Now maybe O'Connell sucks. I would much and I always say this. Give me the unknown over what we know is bad in Mike Zimmer who an absolutely run his course.

So I think that that's a big upgrade and Minnesota getting back so many injured players on defense. I think it's going to be a big deal as well.

So I don't know if you agree with that Ken that like Minnesota and Philly maybe like upgraded to the same degree. Now Philly was better last year for Minnesota. So I'm not intimating that that Minnesota should be favored in the game like I agree Philly of course should be favorite.

But I don't know maybe maybe I'm a little higher on Minnesota than you are and like what's happened this off season with the Vikings.

Yeah, but I'm at least I'm mindful of the fact that Minnesota could be better like I even in the even when I gave you the points, but I was like it could be three or three and a half.

Depends on kind of how you want to rate Minnesota this year like those are all things that I said is part of like the build up to what my number was so I'm like mindful of that there's some wiggle room here on what they could be.

The idea that the interesting idea I guess like you think both teams will be better by the same amount or that they're both sort of like teams that you could see improving.

I think it's a little interesting I guess it depends on like the value that you place on a coaching change right and like how much of a difference in situations that can make and this is of all the things that we will talk about in the off season in the NFL of which there will be many we have a lot of shows coming up this summer.

This year's theme I think a lot of it will be teams that kept everything and change the coach and like what is the upside of like teams that did that we have a lot of coaching changes this year.

We have a lot of quarterbacks going year one to year two obviously state of their teams we have a lot of situations where there was like just a coaching change basically and you're trying to figure out.

Does that matter like what is that okay if this team was going to win this kind of games before whatever.

I'm unlikely to bet those teams just to go like over an average win total and I would almost always rather play those situations the same way I would play like quarterback year one year two which is just unknown so if there's unknown then they could be really good they could also stink they you know they can finish in a lot of different places so.

You know like Minnesota and Philly have the same win total but like who is more volatile I guess it's like really interesting I think like both teams have a ton of volatility even though they don't have completely even though the Eagles don't have the same coach same quarterback so they don't fall into that Minnesota does obviously new coach but just like.

If Philly one six and eleven would really be that shocking like I don't think it's likely but like I would.

I would have had them under nine so like yeah it would knock me on my ass if Philly but also would knock me on my ass if they won eleven and six I think the pro for Minnesota.

Because like Minnesota is even like there i'm just looking at like a stat kind of stuff I have from them last year like the seat like they weren't even like that bad like they're just like.

It's like my point is like the coach is absolutely miserable the guy that's making the decisions is one of the worst honestly and i'm and like he went to an NFC championship game and like he's a great defensive mind etc I think he's one of the worst game managers in the history of the national football like I don't even think that's a crazy statements.

Okay it sounds pretty bad and I believe that plays a lot of close games that sounds pretty bad so you know like if Minnesota like.

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