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I can't say why I did it the first time.

We all have them.

One lie become a second lie.

We all live with them.

And the third lie is coming just to camouflage the two other lies.

Secrets.

I really genuinely enjoyed the art of deception.

I enjoyed deceiving people. Studies show that you have

13 secrets inside of you. Hi Andrea, I'm not sure if you know who I am. My

name is Jemma and I'm Duane's girlfriend. Five of them are secrets they've never shared with anyone.

I'm like, what do you mean? Girlfriend? What's that?

girlfriend?

I'm his girlfriend.

When she told me that she was sick, I of course bought it.

I think any person will buy it.

I don't think you go like, hmm, I don't know if that's true. I need to check this up you go like oh shit you're sick you have a cancer and that's really dangerous and they're serious

She she can't lie about she is being that sick. No person does that.

And this podcast, we're going to enter that world of secrets.

He said to me, well, while I'm here, do you want something else?

And I says, well, if you're carrying white, I'll have a 20 stone off you.

So he starts cutting up this massive block of crack cocaine in his car.

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