Next-Level AI Safety: Dr. Craig Kaplan on Collective Intelligence and Ethical Design

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🗓️ 17 November 2025

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Grounded in his formative experiences studying under Alan Newell and Herbert Simon—giants who helped found the field of AI—Dr. Craig Kaplan internalized from an early stage the critical importance of both rigorous scientific discovery and practical, real-world impact. He observed early evolutions in AI, from the symbolic reasoning systems of the 1950s, through to the neural networks of the 1980s, and witnessed firsthand how skepticism gradually gave way to the data-driven paradigms that power today's language models. This longitudinal vantage point allowed him to appreciate the pendulum swing between efforts to fully “explain” machine thinking and the observable truth that vast data and accelerated computation yield emergent intelligence.

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0:00.0	And in general, you want to be preventing problems in design, not trying to detect them and fix them later.
0:09.6	Unfortunately, when it comes to AI, that is not the situation we have.
0:14.0	We have the opposite.
0:15.1	People build the model.
0:16.5	They don't know how it works because they've trained it and the algorithms just process it.
0:20.8	And they have no idea where in the model the information is represented. And so all they're left with is sort of at the end before they release it to the public, they say, tell me how to build a bioweapon. And it starts telling you and you say, no, you can't tell people. Okay, I won't tell people how to build bio weapons.
0:41.8	Tell me how to do a nuclear bomb. And it tells you, no, you can't say that. And so it's like a game of whackamol where you're trying to think of all the bad things that somebody might ask it,
0:45.9	and you're trying to shut them down. That's crazy.
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1:10.7	I don't want to tell you this, Dr. Craig A. Kaplan, but I do feel I have a little bit like
1:16.2	a fan girl because speaking to people who've been in the field of AI superintelligence
1:21.3	tackling the big issues for longer than most people have even known AI existed, of course, once generative AI came out,
1:30.1	is it's something I really love talking about, and I love hearing from people who are the experts,
1:35.5	who've been in this, who've seen it from multiple angles.
1:38.6	So thank you for joining me on your brand amplified.
1:41.9	Oh, well, thank you for having me, And this is my favorite topic. So I'm
1:46.3	always glad to chat about it. Fantastic. So Craig, you're the founder and CEO of IQ companies.
1:54.2	You're the founder of superintelligence.com. If you listen to anything on AI, read the news, listen to
2:00.5	podcast, you hear the term superintelligence thrown around a lot.
2:04.2	What does that mean to you?
2:07.5	So superintelligence, I think of it as sort of a stage in the development of AI.
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