News Update: Mark Bowden on North Korea

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🗓️ 9 August 2017

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Given new revelations about North Korea's nuclear capabilities—and newly harsh rhetoric from President Trump—Jeffrey Goldberg and Matt Thompson talk with Mark Bowden, author of The Atlantic's July/August cover story on how to deal with North Korea. In that story, Bowden laid out the four options a U.S. administration has for handling North Korea's nuclear ambitions—trying to prevent its progress, turning the screws on the country's leadership, decapitating its leaders, and accepting that a nuclear North Korea is inevitable—and why all of those options are bad. In this conversation, he talks about how this week's news affects that calculus, and whether any one of those paths has grown more likely. This is a bonus episode. In our August 11 episode, our co-host Alex Wagner will rejoin us, and our guest will be Kurt Anderson, the author of our September cover story. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:26.0	Learn more at Vonage.com. Hi, I'm Matt Thompson, Executive Editor of The Atlantic.
0:43.0	With me in the studio is my co-host.
0:45.8	Jeff Goldberg, I'm the Editor-in-Chief of the Atlantic.
0:48.4	And on the phone, we have Mark Bowden, whose cover story in our July-August issue how to deal with
0:53.8	North Korea has just gotten pushed right back into the conversation by recent
0:57.6	events. I Mark. Good morning. So to very quickly recap some of what pushed your great cover straight back into the
1:05.6	forefront of US anxiety. The Washington Post reported on Tuesday on an
1:10.5	Intelligence Assessment from late July indicating that the country has
1:14.2	successfully produced a miniaturized nuclear warhead that can fit inside its
1:18.0	missiles. A prior intelligence assessment, the post reported estimated that there are
1:22.1	far more nuclear
1:22.9	weapons available to Kim Jong-un than we'd previously thought. President Trump
1:28.3	followed up with a response that surprised a lot of observers with its bellicosity.
1:32.1	North Korea best not a lot of observers with its bellicosity.
1:32.6	North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States.
1:38.9	They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen.
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