On his show, his son asked him a question, and Kirk gave his honest thoughts, indicating that he finds the view known as conditional mortality or annihilationism to be both compelling and possibly biblically supported.

While it certainly seemed from some of the things Kirk said on his podcast that he was indicating that this is now his official view. When I spoke with him personally on the phone,

he told me that while he believes the Bible appears to point in the direction of this view,

he's not settled on the matter and is asked for further discussion.

We think of God as a just God.

He is a just God.

And we believe that the punishment should fit the crime.

Exactly.

And so if the punishment was cruel and unusual punishment that went far beyond the severity of the crime,

that would no longer be just.

So is that really just an eternity of conscious torment for a limited lifetime of sin.

Matthew 10, 26 through 31 says,

So have no fear, for nothing is covered that will not be revealed or hidden that will not be known.

What I tell you in the dark, say in the light, and what you hear whispered,

proclaim on the house tops, and do not fear those who kill

the body but cannot kill the soul rather fear him who can destroy both body and soul in hell

ooh oh you know that's a really interesting concept right there right if we believe that hell is eternal conscious torment,

yeah. Why would it talk about your soul and body being destroyed in hell? Yeah, because the

soul can't be destroyed. The soul lives forever. Exactly. Right? Yeah. So does that mean something

else? Or does it mean that the soul does not live forever?

I think we as Christians have a idea that the body will perish, but the soul is eternal.

Yeah.

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