This is the Cato Daily Podcast for Friday, August 14th, 2020.

I'm Caleb Brown.

It's definitely worth looking into whether leaders of the National Rifle Association

were using the organization as a personal piggy bank, but how reasonable

is it to demand that the organization itself ceased to exist.

Cato's Walter Olson details the case is now pending in New York.

It seems like there's a couple of separate questions here.

One did a bunch of higher-ups in the National Rifle Association make use of this nonprofit organization as a personal

piggy bank?

And the other question is, well, if that's true should we then dissolve the

organization so to that first question what are your thoughts?

We do have two separate cases here, basically, that one of which is in many ways a traditional charity

enforcement case with traditional sorts of allegations of self-dealing and shenanigans in the board.

These are things that have happened at other organizations.

Nothing that I can see is all that unusual about the idea that there are legal consequences and that one of the people who can make those legal consequences happen is the Attorney General of the State of New York where they were incorporated.

So all that, which might seem like 98% of the case, is kind of normal than the other 2%. It's like declaring war on a company, on a country because of a trade dispute or something.

It's that last 2%, by the way, we don't just want all of the traditional charity remedies such as

requiring people to disgorge ill-gotten monies requiring people not to work for

non-profits in New York for the next 10 years or ever again.

All of those sorts of sanctions which would be traditional responses to those things.

It's by the way we want a court order dissolving the organization permanently so it simply disappears

and we will suggest where their money goes when that happens.

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