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Hacks On Tap

New Year's Special: On with Kara Swisher

Hacks On Tap

David Axelrod & Mike Murphy

News, Government, Politics, News Commentary

4.8 • 7.7K Ratings

🗓️ 30 December 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

Happy New Year, Hackeroos! While the guys are taking a well-earned break with family, we’re bringing you a great conversation from our friend Kara Swisher’s podcast, On with Kara Swisher. Kara is joined by Beth Macy, a veteran newspaper reporter and author who has spent decades covering rural America, and Jacob Silverman, an investigative journalist focused on tech power and corruption. Together, they explore how two seemingly opposite forces—Silicon Valley billionaires and the rural poor—have converged under the MAGA umbrella, the role social media plays in fueling grievance and distrust, and what it would take to bridge America’s widening political divide. New episodes of On with Kara Swisher drop every Monday and Thursday. You can listen to the show in your favorite podcast app or watch on YouTube at youtube.com/@onwithkaraswisher. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Folks, the hacks are off this week preparing in our own ways for our slam-bang New Year's Eve celebrations.

0:07.0

Mine will probably involve banana grams with my wife and maybe an old movie, but be that as it may.

0:12.5

We're proud to turn over our space to our buddy Kara Swisher on her show on with Kara Swisher from the Vox Media Podcasting Network. Her episode this week is called

0:23.0

Tech Billionaires and Rural Poor, the two sides of Trump's Maga populism. You know, the tech

0:28.9

billionaires of Silicon Valley and the Midwest and rural poor, you wouldn't think they'd have

0:33.0

much in common, but somehow many of them have united under the MAGA umbrella. Kara explores how and why

0:39.6

with two reporters who have written extensively about the opposite size of the MAGA coined.

0:45.2

And she's going to talk about the role social media has played in fueling enragement and why

0:51.1

tech billionaires and poor Americans are coalescing around issues like education,

0:55.4

the press, and more. The real question is how to bridge that political divide. And she's going to talk

1:01.7

about that with Beth Macy, a newspaper reporter for three decades and the author of five

1:07.8

nonfiction books, bestselling books, including Doapsick and her most recent paper girl,

1:13.0

a memoir of home and family in a fractured America. It's really a fine book as all hers are.

1:19.6

We had her on the Axfiles podcast when I used to do it, and she's really a remarkable journalist

1:25.5

and a remarkable person. Kara also has Jacob Silverman, an independent journalist,

1:30.4

with a focus on tech, political corruption, and illicit finance.

1:34.6

He's written three books, including the most recent, Gilded Rage, Elon Musk,

1:39.2

and the radicalization of Silicon Valley.

1:42.1

So look forward to a great conversation.

1:44.9

I hope all of you have a happy New Year.

1:46.9

Look forward to being back with you on the other side.

1:50.5

I said you're either going to have to do something about income inequality.

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