I'm going to be. Well, welcome to the video gamer podcast.

I am joined with Dan Nanny, who is a, I guess like right now you can call yourself

a veteran game developer, right?

I guess so about this point. What is it? 25 years into it? What do you think is the like

barometer that like when do you go from game developer to veteran game developer? Because isn't

the average for like a game developer lasts like six, seven years in the industry?

Well, I was going to say, like, no one when I first started, you know, when I was in college,

I wound up finding an instructor who had worked in the video game industry.

I latched onto him so hard because he was the only person I had that had actual experience.

And he was telling me at that point, look, if you can make it beyond five years,

you're considered like a veteran at this point, right? And it quickly became knowledge. Like when my first

paid industry job, within a year, I was one of the oldest, I was, I started out as an artist at that

company. And I had been there perhaps the longest after a year.

I was only like, I don't know, 22, 23 years old at that point.

So it was weird to be like, oh, this is the person you go to to ask questions to because he's been here longest and has the most knowledge.

And I'm sitting here like, I don't know what I'm doing still.

I guess that that kind

of like that turnover rate kind of slows down now that as an industry, instead of taking

like a year to two years to make a game, it takes about seven to eight years to make a game.

Or like four to eight. Back then it was also a lot of like one year turnaround. When we turnaround. When I first joined the industry, one year was common.

Every year you would drop something, drop something, drop something.

But, you know, the games have gotten bigger and more elaborate.

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