New Target Letter Has Trump Terrified + A Conversation with Norm Eisen

THE OFFICIAL MEA CULPA WITH MICHAEL COHEN ARCHIVE

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🗓️ 5 June 2026

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Mea Culpa welcomes back our old friend Norm Eisen. There’s pretty much nothing going on in politics today that Eisen doesn’t have an educated opinion about. Eisen is a CNN Legal Analyst. And the founder and executive chair of “States United Democracy Center”, a nonpartisan organization advancing free, fair, and secure elections. His articles for the Brookings Institute and elsewhere have made the case for why Trump and his band of criminal conspiracists represented a clear and present danger to democracy. His latest work of art is a model prosecution memo that came just days before Trump received his target letter that lays out the case against him in startling clarity. Eisen writes that “the memo builds on the work that has been done by the Jan. 6 Committee and many others but is the first comprehensive application of the law to the facts to establish that DOJ standards for bringing charges are met. We offer an in-depth look at the vast factual record through prosecutorial eyes to describe a relatively simple three-part theory of the case that prosecutors can try to verdict in a year or less.” It’s that three-part theory that Norm is going to break down for us today. Settle in folks and get educated, you’re about to get a masterclass in how to bring down Donald Trump.

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0:00.0	This is my Mayo Cop
0:06.0	This is my Mayo Cop
0:09.0	Oh baby don't lie for me
0:12.0	If I tell you my story don't cry for me
0:15.0	I'm time that's fun by me
0:17.0	This is my me
0:19.0	That's fair a cup This is Michael Mayor Copa.
0:26.4	This is Michael Cohen, and you're listening to the Mayor Culper podcast.
0:33.1	Well, it's deja vu all over again, folks, as Donald Trump faces his now second federal indictment in as many months for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election,
0:39.5	likely adding to the extraordinary array of criminal charges and other legal peril facing the
0:46.0	Mangal Mussolini, even as he fucking campaigns to return to the White House.
0:52.0	Now, Trump was informed by his lawyers on Sunday that he had received
0:56.1	a dreaded target letter from special counsel Jack Smith, informing him that he was being
1:02.3	investigated for his efforts to reverse his defeat at the polls. Now, I want you understand that
1:08.2	prosecutors use target letters to tell potential defendants
1:12.8	that investigators have evidence tying them to crimes and that they could be subject to indictment.
1:19.7	So just a reminder that besides the current federal indictment in the so-called documents case,
1:26.5	Trump is also under indictment in Manhattan
1:29.0	on charges related to hush money payments that were made to Stormy Daniels before the 2016
1:35.3	election.
1:36.9	So karma's a bitch, Donnie.
1:38.7	You do fucking bad things and bad things happen back to you.
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