New single-sex spaces guidance, Natalie Cassidy, Southport attack survivors
Woman's Hour
BBC
4.1 • 3K Ratings
🗓️ 22 May 2026
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
Yesterday, the Government published guidance on how the Equality Act should be implemented in relation to single-sex spaces. This follows the landmark Supreme Court ruling in April last year that the definition of a woman under the Equality Act should be based on biological sex. According to the new guidance, single-sex spaces - such as changing rooms and toilets - must be used on the basis of biological sex. This means, for instance, that a trans woman - a biological male who identifies as a woman - should not use female toilets or changing rooms, or a trans man - a biological woman who identifies as a man - should not use men's toilets. Alison Holt, the BBC's social affairs editor, joins Anita Rani to explain the guidance. Natalie Cassidy is the actor best known for playing Sonia Fowler in the BBC soap, EastEnders. She’s also been a presenter and has a successful podcast, Life with Nat. She's now returned to the classroom to study Health and Social Care. Inspired by supporting her dad through end-of-life care at home, Natalie has enrolled to study towards a Level 3 qualification, with the aim of becoming a professional carer. She joins Anita to discuss the experience, which is documented in an eight-part BBC series, Natalie Cassidy: Caring Together.
It’s been nearly two years since the attack on a group of girls at a Taylor Swift–themed dance class in Southport. Three were murdered and others seriously injured. The families of those who survived say a court order protecting their identities has also left them feeling invisible. BBC Special Correspondent Judith Moritz has been hearing about the long-term impact on their daughters, and she joins Anita.
And genre-defying musician and composer Hannah Peel joins us to talk about forging her unique career, whispers of encouragement she received from Paul McCartney and her new collaboration with Chinese percussionist Beibei Wang.
Presenter: Anita Rani Producer: Simon Richardson
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. |
| 0:07.3 | On BBC Sounds, there are podcasts to help you look after your body and your mind. |
| 0:12.7 | From increasing your immunity to feeling more confident. |
| 0:16.6 | Or tips on how to focus. |
| 0:18.5 | Sorry, what will you say? |
| 0:19.7 | If it matters to you, it matters to us. |
| 0:22.6 | Feel good inside of them. |
| 0:24.3 | With what's up docs. |
| 0:25.9 | And complex with Kimberly Wilson. |
| 0:27.9 | Listen on BBC Sounds. |
| 0:30.5 | Hello, I'm Anita Rani and welcome to Woman's Hour from BBC Radio 4. |
| 0:35.4 | Just to say that for rights reasons, the music in the original radio broadcast |
| 0:39.4 | has been removed for this podcast. Good morning and welcome to the program on the program today. |
| 0:45.2 | Natalie Cassidy, aka Sonia from EastEnders, has acted pretty much her entire life. She was only 10 |
| 0:51.3 | when she joined the cast. Now in her early 40s, she's gone back to |
| 0:56.1 | education to study health and social care, a journey we follow through her new BBC series |
| 1:01.0 | about social care. Natalie will be here to tell us all about it. And this morning I'd like to hear |
| 1:06.4 | from you about going back to education or retraining in a new profession, job or vocation. |
| 1:11.9 | How was the experience starting from scratch? Was it difficult? |
| 1:15.9 | Were you supported? How hard was the decision to go back into education? |
| 1:20.2 | How hard was it to get back into the classroom? |
| 1:22.3 | Especially if you've not been in one for a while and you're the oldest person in class? |
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