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The and the Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other, a podcast from Tribune magazine.

My name is Alex Doherty and my guest today is Alex DeWal. We talked about his

new book, New Pandemics, Old Politics, 200 years of war on disease. We discussed the history of

pandemic disease control from the cholera outbreaks of the 19th century to HIV-AIDS and the COVID-19

crisis. We chatted about why the war on disease narrative

is so unhelpful, how colonial era vaccination programs spread HIV in sub-Saharan Africa,

and why the great influenza pandemic of 1918 to 1919 is so little discussed and written about,

despite its extraordinary death toll.

Today's show is brought to you by PTO supporters on Patreon and also by Verso Books,

who have lots of excellent titles that may be of interest to PTO listeners.

One that you might like to check out is A Planet on Fire,

a manifesto for the Age of Environmental Breakdown by Matthew Lawrence

and Laurie Laborn Langton. As we rebuild our lives in the wake of COVID-19 and face the

challenges of ecological disaster, how can the left win a world fit for life? Planet on Fire is an

urgent manifesto for a fundamental reimagining of the global economy.

It offers a clear and practical roadmap for a future that is democratic and sustainable by design.

In the book, Laurie Laborn Langton and Matthew Lawrence argue that it is not enough merely to spend

our way out of the crisis, we must also rapidly reshape the economy to create a new way of life that can

foster a healthy and flourishing environment for all. Planet on Fire, a manifesto for the age of

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