New News About Nuzzi, and Mamdani Goes to Washington. Plus: Susan Orlean on Breaking Into The New Yorker, Working for Tina Brown, and More.

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🗓️ 25 November 2025

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Hello, media consumers! Bryan and David discuss Bryan’s newest Texas barbecue adventure before diving into the most recent news in the ever-evolving Olivia Nuzzi saga, including their thoughts on Ryan Lizza’s second Substack piece and whether this story has reached the point of “feeling like you know too much” (09:49). Next, the guys dive into everything that came out of the meeting between Zohran Mamdani and President Trump in the Oval Office (24:11). Lastly, the show ends with today’s Notebook Dump, where journalist and author Susan Orlean joins the show to discuss her start at The New Yorker, working for Tina Brown, and much more (36:03). Plus, an Only in Journalism first, and David Shoemaker Guesses the Strained-Pun Headline! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	David?
0:06.2	Happy Thanksgiving week.
0:09.3	Happy Thanksgiving week to you too.
0:11.3	I'm coming to you from Texas and in an all-time upset I have some barbecue notes for you.
0:17.0	Oh my gosh.
0:18.5	All right.
0:19.4	What are they?
0:19.9	Well, we went to Goldies in Fort Worth yesterday morning.
0:25.2	This is the place that in the previous Texas monthly state power rankings finished number one overall in the state.
0:33.2	Oh, yeah.
0:33.8	I know Goldies.
0:35.1	Christine, I got in the line at 9.45 a.m.
0:39.9	She's like leave the kids at the fire station or something.
0:43.9	We did. Found a fine looking Fort Worth fireman who seemed trustworthy who could take
0:48.8	care of our children while we stood in line for brisket.
0:52.5	Love the barbecue line just as an institution it was 55 degrees you have to
0:59.6	have a barbecue line like most places most other business enterprises have figured this out right you
1:06.6	just hire more staff you you do whatever but like like in barbecue, in the world of barbecue,
1:11.7	if you don't have a line, you don't have much. Well, in Goldies is open three days a week. It's almost, you know, you and I didn't take a lot of economics classes, but hey, there's a certain scarcity to it. Only open three days a week, it's really good. You're going to have a line all three of those days.
1:27.1	Yeah.
1:27.5	In this case, it was 55 degrees
1:29.1	in sunny.
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