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This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

New Mini-Series – America against the World – Part 1:  There are No Rules Any More

This Is Not A Drill with Gavin Esler

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News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.91.6K Ratings

🗓️ 16 April 2026

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

A new four-part series from This Is Not A Drill… Get the complete series now when you support us on Patreon. Trump’s reckless war on Iran was the culmination of a year of aggressive rhetoric and scorn for allies from the White House. It also cemented a new American ethos: the United States will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, without concern for friends and allies. The Atlanticist nightmare has come true. America has abandoned the world. So how will we cope with the end of Pax Americana – and what comes next?  In the first of a new limited series from This Is Not A Drill, Gavin Esler speaks to diplomats and experts to take the long view of this harsh new era in international relations. This time Nahal Toosi, senior foreign affairs correspondent at Politico, explains how the Iran War has already changed the world. And Dr. Leslie Vinjamuri, the president and CEO of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, explains the deep and dangerous roots of the America First mindset.  • Episode 2 is out on Monday 20 April. Follow us so you don’t miss it.  Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Produced by Robin Leeburn. Original theme music by Paul Hartnoll – https://www.orbitalofficial.com. Executive Producer Martin Bojtos. Managing Editor Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor Andrew Harrison. This Is Not A Drill is a Podmasters production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Episode 1 of America Against the World, a special four-part miniseries from

0:05.7

This Is Not a Drill. If you want to hear the complete series right now, you can get every

0:11.0

episode immediately when you support us on Patreon, the crowdfunding site. Follow the link in the show

0:16.5

notes to find out more.

0:28.0

In 1941, as the United States entered World War II, an American businessman, the publisher Henry Luce, spoke of the world entering the American century.

0:32.6

Some 80 years later, in November 2025, another American businessman, Donald J. Trump, led the United States

0:39.6

government as it published a new national security document with one particularly memorable sentence.

0:46.0

The days of the United States propping up the entire world order like Atlas are over.

0:52.5

Propping up the world even for Atlas, the powerful titan of Greek mythology,

0:57.0

wasn't a reward, it was a punishment from the gods,

1:01.0

but it's difficult to believe Mr. Trump sees American world leadership truly as a punishment,

1:06.0

although right now it might seem a punishment to other people,

1:10.0

those in Iran, Ukraine, Gaza, Lebanon, the UAE, Greenland and elsewhere.

1:14.7

In this four-part series, we're going to ask whether we are truly witnessing the end of the American century,

1:20.9

whether the Trump disruption is a passing phase or a permanent shift towards a new world order or disorder,

1:28.3

and how the rest of us, middle-ranking and smaller powers,

1:31.0

NATO allies, democratic countries around the world,

1:33.9

the people of Ukraine facing the Russian invasion,

1:37.3

and also rival big powers, including China and Russia,

1:40.8

can, shoot, and will react.

1:45.0

I'm Gavin Esler, and this is not a dream. In part one of America against the world, we're going to explore how far the idea of the American century and the Pax Americana were always a bit delusional,

2:19.1

especially in the light of conflicts from Korea and Vietnam to the Middle East and Afghanistan

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