New from Kaleidoscope: Mind Games - Episode 1. The Guru's Guru.
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iHeartPodcasts and Kaleidoscope
4.6 • 701 Ratings
🗓️ 25 February 2026
⏱️ 43 minutes
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Summary
What if someone told you that you could skip years of therapy with a few mental tricks? It sounded impossible… until we found Neuro-Linguistic Programming. NLP is a form of hypnosis beloved by everyone from sex cults to the U.S. military to fortune 500 companies–yet almost no one knows it exists.
Long before she co-founded NXIVM, hypnotist Nancy Salzman encountered NLP as a radical method for reprogramming the mind. Her story leads us to its inventor, Richard Bandler, a volatile, self-made guru. As we dig into how it took hold in so many places, we face an unsettling possibility: NLP might actually work.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.5 | Guaranteed human. |
| 0:15.8 | I completely dissociated from my body. |
| 0:17.9 | I had so much panic, and I was so afraid that when I opened my |
| 0:23.0 | mouth and said the five words that I said when I was in front of the room, I thought it was |
| 0:28.3 | someone else talking. And I said, I'm never doing this again. In the late 1980s, Nancy had a phobia |
| 0:35.6 | of public speaking. And it was getting in the way of her job. |
| 0:40.2 | She was a nurse who specialized in working with chronic pain patients. |
| 0:44.1 | But there's something about being able to help somebody that just makes me so, it's probably |
| 0:49.7 | the biggest motivator of my entire life. |
| 0:52.9 | Nancy wanted to share her skills with more people and to grow her business. |
| 0:57.3 | But there was one big problem. |
| 0:59.4 | She was terrified of public speaking. |
| 1:02.3 | Get her in front of a room of people and Nancy would totally freeze. |
| 1:06.6 | Then she met someone. |
| 1:08.7 | A woman who said she could cure Nancy's lifelong fear in a few short |
| 1:13.0 | minutes, using something called neurolinguistic programming, or NLP. |
| 1:19.4 | She did an NLP phobia fix on me and took away my fear of public speaking. And look at me |
| 1:27.2 | now, I'm a big ham, and I love public speaking, and I would do anything to do public speaking. |
| 1:32.5 | But she fixed that problem using an NLP technique, and it never was a problem again. |
| 1:38.5 | Quickly, NLP became Nancy's whole life. |
| 1:42.4 | Soon she was working as a consultant for Fortune 500 companies. As a coach, |
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