Hello, everyone, and welcome to police off the cuff.

Real Crime Stories.

I'm your host, retired NYPD Sergeant Bill Cannon, 27-year veteran of the NYPD.

You know, since we got the verdict, we got the Coburger pleading guilty.

More evidence has been pouring out, pouring forth that we just never heard about

before this.

And that was largely because we all know of the gag order.

But a lot of this evidence came out via rumor during the case.

And much of the rumors that we heard about turned out to be absolutely true.

So I'm a little suspect of that.

And now we would always say myself and Mike Geary and Phil Grimaldi would always say on this show,

you know, they have a lot more evidence than they're talking about because everyone kept pointing to,

oh, if it's not on the court documents, it didn't

happen. Bullshit, it didn't happen. Detectives do what's called a complaint follow-up.

And every time they talk to someone, they must type out a complaint follow-up to document what that person told them.

And Dylan Mortensen gave them gold.

Some of the things we're going to discuss it tonight that she spoke to detectives about,

and is just coming out now.

But it was out in rumor somehow, and of course, it was always rumored that

a Coburger, B.K., let's call him, was after Madison Morgan.

And we now learned that he may have been targeting

Kay Lee Gonzalez so at this late time when the investigators knew about this all

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