New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters

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🗓️ 13 February 2021

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As the Capitol was under attack on January 6th, then-Pres. Trump told House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy the rioters cared more about the election results than he did. In the expletive-laced phone call, McCarthy insisted the rioters were Trump’s supporters and begged him to tell them to stop. The Republican members of Congress who were briefed on the call say the exchange shows the former President had no intention of calling off the rioters. Noah Feldman is a professor at Harvard Law School and was a witness for the prosecution during Trump’s first impeachment trial. He joins AC360 to discuss how these new details could affect the impeachment trial. Plus, one of Trump’s attorneys claims “there was no insurrection.” CNN’s resident fact-checker Daniel Dale talks with Anderson Cooper about some of the false claims from the Trump legal team. Airdate: February 12, 2021 Guests: Noah Feldman Daniel Dale As the Capitol was under attack on January 6th, then-President Trump told House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy the rioters cared more about the election results than he did. In the expletive-laced phone call, McCarthy insisted the rioters were Trump’s supporters and begged him to tell them to stop. The Republican members of Congress who were briefed on the call say the exchange shows the former President had no intention of calling off the rioters. Noah Feldman is a professor at Harvard Law School and was a witness for the prosecution during Trump’s first impeachment trial. He joins AC360 to discuss how these new details could affect the impeachment trial. Plus, one of Trump’s attorneys claims “there was no insurrection.” CNN’s resident fact-checker Daniel Dale talks with Anderson Cooper about some of the false claims from the Trump legal team. Airdate: February 12, 2021 Guests: Noah Feldman Daniel Dale To learn more about how CNN protects listener privacy, visit cnn.com/privacy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	And good evening, breaking news this hour on the former president's conduct during the
0:04.4	January 6 riot that could have an impact on his impeachment trial, which is now at
0:08.0	a delicate moment and could potentially upend the timeline of when the trial was supposed
0:11.7	to end.
0:12.7	Now in a moment, the defense has team laid out today.
0:15.0	Right now, that new report, a phone call between the former president and the Republican
0:19.1	conference leader in the House, Kevin McCarthy, as the attack was unfolding.
0:22.8	You know, special correspondent Jamie Gale Jones is now with her report.
0:26.2	So Jamie, this is an extraordinary report, explain what you've learned.
0:30.6	Well, we're learning really speaks to present Trump's continued desire to delay and to
0:36.5	try to prevent the election results.
0:38.3	I think this is critical insight into his state of mind.
0:43.2	We previously knew there was a phone call that took place on January 6 between Trump and
0:49.0	Republican leader Kevin McCarthy.
0:51.6	And McCarthy called Trump begging Trump to stop the rioters.
0:56.5	I've spoken to multiple Republican members of the House who have knowledge of that call
1:02.6	and who say that after Trump tried to say to Kevin, it's not my people, McCarthy responded,
1:09.7	no, these are your people.
1:13.6	To which Trump then said, these are the new details.
1:17.4	Quote.
1:18.4	Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.
1:25.0	And then McCarthy responded, who the F do you think you're talking to?
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