Joining Dr. McCullough and I is author John Lee John. Thanks for joining the conversation. Thanks for having me.

So

Just very quickly how did you beat Dr. Peter McCullough?

It was home visiting my family and Dallas over the holidays at the beginning of 2020

They shut you're up down. We we naturally on our side shut shut our side down to I began paying very close attention to the story

and I began to wonder well is there someone on the medical side who?

has academic medical authority who is taking a different view of the matter from the official one and I started looking around and then I

Discovered Dr. McCullough and then I discovered he lived about a mile away from my family home

so I contacted him and I did an interview with him in May of last year and

And that was the beginning of our conversation that did led to this book that we're working on

What is the goal of the book?

Now the goal overall is to lay the historical

Framework for how this could actually happen how

The whole world could get into this simultaneous lockstep this type of thinking with respect to pandemic response and

The idea is that there were was a small group of doctors myself included that in a sense had a courage to face

COVID-19 to treat COVID-19 to start to manage this and but at the same time we were battling this giant

mega

biopharmaceutical government complex right is it a fiction piece or is it no?

It's true crime. Yeah, if you if you read a lot of true crime you'll read a lot of true crime history

Yeah, you you begin you become adept at spotting

distinct patterns of fraud. Yeah, and

You know, I was very interested in in this oxy-contin story the Purdue Pharma

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