From WNYC Studios. I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast. It's Wednesday, April 10th.

On Monday, President Joe Biden announced a new student loan forgiveness program that he says could benefit 30 million

borrowers. Relief may be on the way for people in a number of categories. So listen up if you

think this might apply to you or someone you know. If you owe more money than the amount of your

initial loan because of unpaid interest, you could have up to $20,000 automatically forgiven.

If you've been paying your student loans back for 20 years or more, and you know we've had

callers who say 20 years or more, it's shocking to people who've not been in that position,

you could have some or all of that money

canceled. You'd be forgiven for having whiplash from 2023 when the Supreme Court struck down

the Biden administration's last attempt at a student debt overhaul. But this plan has a few key

differences that the mayor, the president hopes will stand up in court.

So it will impact the details of the plan and some of the ways the Biden administration hopes

to insulate it from the sort of legal attacks that the last one faced.

Joining us now is Danielle Douglas Gabriel, National Higher Education Reporter at the Washington Post.

Hey, Danielle, welcome back to WNYC.

Always good to have you on.

Thanks for having you back.

So Biden, by way of background, had previously announced a $400 billion overhaul of the Student Debt Relief Program back in 2022,

but the Supreme Court did strike it down.

I'll ask you in a minute how this new plan differs from the old, but first, let's work our

way through the main details of this new plan.

You report that relief may be on the way for borrowers who owe more than the amount of

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