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All right, welcome back to Gun Talk.

I'm Tom Gresham.

The number here is 866 Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.

Now, sometimes we get pretty gun geeky, and it's kind of fun whether or not you're really into that. It's kind of fun just to hang on

and see what you can learn. A few days ago, I grabbed an interview with Jeff Hoffman from Black Hills

ammo. He's the head guy there. And whenever Jeff and I talk, we get into some really geeky stuff.

And he gave me an idea, a look into what's involved in developing really good ammo

and the kind of testing they do and the stuff that we don't even know that they're doing

and some of the benefits we get from their work with the military and Department of Defense

and that type of deal.

And so I let him just go.

Look, we went deep, deep, deep into the geeky world on this.

And I hope you enjoy it.

And yes, there is something in it for us at the end of this.

We got on the phone right now.

Jeff Hoffman, he is the founder, the president,

the owner of Black Hills Ammo up in South Dakota. Jeff, happy new year.

Happy new year, Tom. Hey, one correction for you. The boss around here is actually Christy.

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