Just a content warning up top for this second episode on genocide. Like our 2024 episode on genocide,

this one also contains information about crimes of atrocity, the murder of civilians and children,

the Holocaust, racism, religious prejudice, and of course, genocide. It's also at times a general

bummer, and it does not reflect the usual lighthearted and comedic tone of ologies,

but it's very important. Also, if you've not invested the time to listen to our first episode

released in May 24 on Genocide, it's linked in the show notes. It will make this episode

much easier to understand with that history and context. Also,

if you haven't listened to that one, please don't write with any criticisms of what this

episode may have left out. This one is really an addendum to the first one. And the thing you're

looking for is probably in that first episode we released in 2024. So listen to that first.

Okay, it's your cousin,

hitting his vape on the porch, Allie Ward. And here we are on the cusp of some holidays.

We wanted to keep you up to speed on one of the most pressing matters of our time. It's not climate

change. Sorry, it's less fun. It's humans doing terrible things to other alive humans. This is a brand new interview we're releasing, serving as a 2025 update. We were able to bring back our lauded and trusted academic source on the topic of what is genocide and why does it even matter. This guest has been a distinguished professor of global human rights history

at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, taught at the University of Sydney and the

European University Institute in Florence, Italy. He's currently a professor of political

science and a researcher of genocide at City College of New York and has been the senior editor

of the Journal of Genocide Research since 2011.

In 2021, he published the 600-page book, The Problems of Genocide, Permanent Security, and the Language of Transgression.

And he recently published the September 2025 Roundtable article featuring work from 30 Genocide Scholars titled,

Introduction, Gaza and the Problems of Genocide Studies,

in the Journal of Genocide Research, alongside co-editor and expert Dr. Raz Siegel.

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