Hello everybody and welcome back to Revolutionary Left Radio. On today's episode we have on the

behavioral neuroscientist Judy Grisel to talk about her experiences as an addict early on in her

life as well as her book never enough the neuroscience and experience of addiction. She was a former

addict, got clean, went on to get a PhD in neuroscience studying addiction and how it works at

the level of the brain and so weaving those two things together the scientific knowledge as well

as the experience of addiction creates a really fascinating read in her book never enough which

you can find anywhere books are sold and particularly I listened to it on Audible where she herself reads

her own book and I always love that so if you're more of a listening person you can check out

but never enough on Audible but yeah you know we touch on a lot of issues and these are these are

issues that are very meaningful in people's lives they cut very deeply because almost everybody

that's listening to this right now knows somebody if they themselves have not suffered from it

who suffer from addiction of some sort or another it's a hugely common thing in the modern world

and so there are elements of any discussion that you know people will maybe bristle against or

totally agree with or find illuminating etc so just oh listen to this with it with an open mind

and I think you'll definitely get something out of it I know I got a lot out of reading the book

and out of this subsequent conversation with Judy and as always as we make very clear throughout

nothing that we say as far as how certain substances are addictive implies that we support

the criminalization of any of these substances clearly the carceral approach to addiction

has been a disgusting failure and when we talk about that in closing of this conversation

and so you know none of this is to say that we want to criminalize any of these substances in fact

it's almost always better to educate to decriminalize so it's not engaged with the carceral state

to provide resources for people who are addicted to get out without having to deal with the

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