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Hi, I'm Natalie Robimed and I'm the co-host of infamous, a podcast about scandalous stories in pop culture,

and we're playing exclusive never before her tape recordings of the most famous woman in the world, Taylor Swift.

She's not infamous of course, but everyone around her seems to come to infamy, like

Kanyay West or Scooter Braun.

Stay tuned for a clip from infamous from the other host Vanessa,

who met Taylor years ago and is talking about it now.

In 2009, Rolling Stone sent me to extensively interview Taylor in several different cities for her first cover.

That's where these tape recordings were taken, and I'm sorry they're a bit

scratchy but they are a little old. She was so excited that the magazine was

ready to annoy her.

Never in my life. her. You're going to be on the cover Rolling So. Are you kidding me?

And yet here we were. I was the reporter from Rolling Stone and she was, indeed going on the cover.

I'd flown out to Los Angeles to talk about. she was, indeed, going on the cover.

I'd flown out to Los Angeles to talk to her,

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