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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Neural Surfing: Consciousness, Meditation, and Mystical Manipulation in Spiritual Organizations With David Christopher Lane

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8684 Ratings

🗓️ 31 March 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Summary

For many, practices like meditation and yoga are among the most thrilling avenues for deepening spiritual awareness. At their best, these techniques can serve as a neurological and biochemical reset—enhancing self-awareness and empowering transformation. But at their worst, they can cause a loss of personal grounding, leaving individuals vulnerable to exploitative relationships or mental, physical, and even sexual harm under unethical or authoritarian figures. As a result, people often find themselves wagering between powerful tools for psychological growth and the risk of undue influence. In this episode of Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum, I speak with my longtime friend and colleague, David Christopher Lane, PhD—Professor of Philosophy and Sociology at Mt. San Antonio College—about this delicate balance. David is the author of numerous books, including The Making of a Spiritual Movement: The Untold Story of Paul Twitchell and Eckankar, The Radhasoami Tradition, Exposing Cults: When the Skeptical Mind Meets the Mystical, The Unknowing Sage, and The Virtual Reality of Consciousness. Cambridge University Press published his most recent book, The Sound Current Tradition: A Historical Overview, in 2022. He also co-authored an annotated bibliography on the Radhasoami movement for Oxford University Press. Beyond academia, David is a world champion bodysurfer with titles spanning from 1997 to 2016. David is also an expert on neuroscience and virtual reality technology.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of my podcast called Cult Conversations,

0:10.0

the Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan.

0:14.0

And I have an old colleague and friends, not that he's old old, but I mean we've

0:20.0

known each other for decades.

0:22.1

A professor of philosophy and sociology, David Christopher Lane, who we must know each other

0:29.8

for at least 30 years, Dave.

0:32.0

I'm just going to read a bit of your bio.

0:34.4

It's way too long to say everything.

0:37.2

Right.

0:37.4

I want to tell my listeners that you have so much that I want to tap and share with my

0:43.3

listeners, we're going to do a second interview in the near future and do a part two.

0:49.3

But let me just tell my listeners a bit about you.

0:52.3

You're a professor of philosophy and sociology and Mount St. San Antonio College.

0:59.3

You're widely recognized for pioneering work in philosophy, consciousness studies,

1:04.7

artificial intelligence, and virtual reality.

1:08.4

You've written numerous books, including the making of a spiritual movement,

1:12.9

the untold story of Paul Twitchell, and Eckenkhar. I'm going to mention the Radaswami. Did I

1:20.4

pronounce that right, Steve? It's a Rada Swami, like the Swami. Yeah, Radaswami, tradition,

1:33.8

exposing cults when the skeptical mind meets the mystical.

1:37.2

That's a fascinating thing for most of my listeners.

1:41.8

The unknowing sage, the virtual reality of consciousness.

1:47.2

You've been doing groundbreaking research on neurobiological basis of consciousness.

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