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Can you imagine a work world in which we told the truth, in which we were clear with each other, and we set really good expectations?

Oh, man, I think that would be great.

I think a lot of the intractable problems that we face at work and we all talk

about and obsess over and don't seem to be able to budge might actually budge, like burnout and

chronic stress and gender disparity. Today I have a really fascinating conversation on these big boulders at work that we're trying to move with Jessica Neal, who is the former chief talent officer at Netflix and is now a venture capitalist.

She is funny and cool and honest.

One of the things that we talk about, which I think is really important and something I struggle with, is in a high-performing culture, what is the right balance, right, between keeping people motivated and working from a place of stress, good stress, while acknowledging our very, very human need

to be praised, to be congratulated,

to take a breath and say, we did a good job.

So Jessica and I, we get into it.

Enjoy.

Jessica, welcome.

I thought I would take advantage of having such a, you know, hugely skilled and experienced talent executive to ask questions that I almost see as like banging your head against the wall questions.

Yeah.

Like this is all we've talked about for a really long time and yet it doesn't seem to be

getting any better. So clearly what we're doing isn't working kind of thing.

Yes. It's a little monotonous, right?

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