I think we've got a crisis of confidence in scientific truth, and I think it's largely self-inflicted.

I've never thought that carbon dioxide has no effect at all. I've never thought that we're not in a period of warming, but I've been blacklisted by the BBC.

We're not in a period of unprecedented warmth. We're not in a period of unprecedentedly fast warmth. We're not in a period of unprecedented warped. We're not in a period

of unprecedentedly fast warped. We're not in a period of increasing extreme weather.

I think what the UK has done is unbelievably foolish and we should tear up net zero.

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Thanks very much for having me on.

It's great to have you on.

We want to talk about science, and particularly one of the big things you were at the forefront of, of course, was the COVID-Lab League thing. We also

want to talk about the climate conversation. Those are two, I think, major issues where there are a lot

of concerns from very sensible and reasonable people like you, not lunatics on the internet, about the way

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