Hello and welcome to the game, football podcast from The Times and Sunday Times.

Second again, O'Le, O'Le.

That was the chant of Wals fans as Arsenal threw away a two-goal lead and showed those now

infamous first-place nerves.

Surely it can't happen again, can it?

On today's show, we'll discuss that match, the psychology of leading and chasing at the top and look ahead to the North London Derby and the rest of the weekend's action. We'll also review the midweek Champions League stories as Newcastle thrash carabag and discuss the fallout of the troubling racism allegations in Benfica. I'm Tom Clark, and joining me today, we have the former Ireland, Marseille and Chelsea

striker Tony Cascarino.

The football reporter who covers clubs in London, as well as the women's game, is Kit Shepard and the former footballer-turned journalist. Gregor Robertson is here, as usual. Team, we're back again, O'Lay, O'Lay. You love this song. I've realized it's the best and simplest chant in football.

It works for anything.

Kits on again, O'Leo-O-Lay.

Tones here again. You love this song. I've realised it's the best and simplest chant in football.

It works for anything. Kits on again, O'Le, O'Le, O'Le. Tone's here again, O'Leay, O'Le. Gregor's here again. O'Leay, O'Le. Like, it's perfect. It's perfect. Anyway, these were the chance at the end of a remarkable game. I was in the Times editing office last night. and I mean, you could see it coming.

You could really see it coming.

Always in these situations, you've got kind of back page of the print edition ready. You're getting the website ready. We're like Arsenal Klingon, a bit nervy. How are we framing this? And oh my God, they've scored. They have scored. Gregor, your reaction to that madness at the end, if you like, because we're going to talk about it the bigger picture in a minute, but that was not a good look for Arsenal, the team with the greatest defence in Europe, brilliant talism men at the back, a keeper coming for a cross with no wolf's players anywhere near him, the captain and centreback Gabrielle, not heading it away. That's not a good look. That's terrible defending at the very start, isn't it?

Yeah, it was calamitous stuff really. And as you say, not something that you've come to associate

with Arsenal. I'd actually say the scenes afterwards were almost more sort of telling.

The rage on Gabriel's face

and the way he walked off down the tunnel

looking like he wanted to

you know punch a hole through a door or whatever

and then a bit more fight

yeah more fight in that

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