I'm Natalie Moore. I fell in love with soap operas when I was just five years old, and I still

watch them. Their television's longest scripted series and have zero reruns. Now let me tell you,

soap operas aren't just some silly art form. They are significant. In this season of making,

Stories Without End from WBEZ Chicago.

Join me as I share how the genre began, their social impact, and why these stories endure.

Listen, wherever you get your podcast.

From WBEZ Chicago, I'm Greta Johnson, and this is the Nerdat Book Club.

It's just like a regular book club, except you've got to bring your own snacks. We are back after a little summer break, and I'm very excited about this month's book club and our discussion buddies.

We are talking about Gabrielle Zevins tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow.

It is about video games and friendship and creativity and grief.

And we are talking about it with Jason Concepcion.

He's the host of the podcast X-ray Vision from Crooked Media.

We also co-hosts the official Game of Thrones podcast about House of the Dragon together.

Jason, hi.

Hello.

Thank you so much for having me.

Oh, thanks for coming on. Are you sick of me yet? No, nowhere close. All right. Well, we'll see how we are at the

end of this conversation. We also have with us author Amber Sparks. Her most recent book is called

And I Do Not Forgive You. Amber, welcome.

Hello. Nice to be here. Oh, thrilled to have you. So we are also going to be hearing from lots of listeners with this one, which I'm very excited about. Here is your spoiler warning. If you have not read

this book and you don't want to know what happens, go back and listen to the spoiler-free author interview we have in the feed.

If you haven't read the book and you are totally cool, spoilers, welcome. We are glad to have you.

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