Neo-Nazis in America: How an FBI Agent Infiltrated the "The Base" Extremist Group

Change Agents with Andy Stumpf

IRONCLAD

Society & Culture

4.9 • 648 Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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On today’s episode, Andy sits down with Scott Payne, a former FBI agent who went undercover to infiltrate The Base, a neo-Nazi extremist group. Scott shares how he gained the trust of members, the group's structure and recruitment methods, and the challenges of maintaining his cover in a highly suspicious environment. He also discusses The Base’s ideology, its use of digital platforms for communication and propaganda, and the intelligence gathered during his operation. To learn more about Scott's undercover work on The Base, check out his book Code Name: Pale Horse Change Agents is an IRONCLAD Original Coming Soon - Change Agents: Black Project Follow @thisisironclad for updates! Sponsors: Firecracker Farm Use code IRONCLAD to get 15% off your first order at https://firecracker.farm/ MTNTOUGH Go to ⁠https://mtntough.com⁠ and enter code CHANGEAGENTS to receive 40% OFF - a savings of about $100 off your MTNTOUGH+ annual subscription. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:30.7	kid they stole the go ram but i was there for the sacrificing and we drank its blood and all
0:36.5	that stuff at a pagan ritual and just crazy crazy stuff.
0:39.9	But that's when some of the true underlying murder plots and stuff were starting to come out.
0:45.3	And some of the base members were like, ah, this is not.
0:47.7	I didn't sign up for this.
0:48.8	So that guy was one of them, even though he helped kidnap and kill the goat.
0:53.2	So he ended up getting charged with that.
0:55.1	But he said something to the effect of.
0:57.8	He actually admired somebody who could be undercover with a bunch of neo-Nazis fully armed with all that hate in their heart.
1:07.8	How can I help?
1:09.0	How can I be useful in ending needless suffering?
1:12.5	Do not be afraid of work that has no end.
1:17.9	We have to organize a social movement.
1:22.6	We have an opportunity to lead, by example, versus just talking, hot air.
1:28.6	I think the more people in this fight, the more we grow, eventually it could change.
1:33.3	The people are the ones that can make the change.
1:39.7	Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to change agents in Ironclad original presented by Firecracker Farm.
1:45.5	This episode is about Scott Payne's experience infiltrating the neo-Nazi extremist group, The Base.
1:52.1	There's a little bit of info for you about Scott.
1:54.0	He's a retired FBI special agent with 28 years in law enforcement.
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