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Today I'm delighted to bring my friend and what's the word I want to look for in the O'Neil Shubin as somebody I admire like phenomenally.

His first book was I was a big fan of called your inner fish. His new book is called some assembly required decoding four billion years of life from ancient fossils to DNA.

And he'll welcome.

Well, it's great to be here. Thank you.

And the reason I'm such a fan of yours is I was reared as a biologist. That's what my original training and circa 1970, 1980.

If you were reared as a biologist, you were reared as a evolutionary biologist.

Yeah, no doubt strictly speaking.

And so I've always whenever I've assessed anything and I'm always in these situations like we've been in with COVID and stuff trying to understand the biology and why things happen.

My my default method is what did this do evolutionarily? What purpose and what function this or how did this happen from an evolutionary perspective?

That has been your life.

It has been they say, you know, the great quote from the Theodosis to Bzanski one of the leading lights in our field is nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution.

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