From KCRW, Santa Monica and KCRW.com, this is The Treatment.

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The artist Wayne White is, I think, of one that's being the first guys who basically turned visual art into performance art.

And he's the subject of a new documentary. Beauty is embarrassing.

The director, Neil Berkeley, I think, saw that aspect of his work.

Guys, first of all, thanks so much for being here.

Thanks for having us.

Thanks, Elvis.

And, Wayne, let me ask you how you first met Neil.

I mean, you guys kind of worked together a bit, right?

I met Neil when he was a punk kid out of Oklahoma.

He can hear you.

He's sitting right here.

I'm right here.

I was working at a production company, and he was like the unpaid intern Gofer, and he was

basically asking me what sandwich I wanted

when I first met him.

He was always kind of serious to be like, so you work for pee-wee?

Do Randy's voice.

Yeah, now do Dirty Dog's voice.

I thought, is this guy enjoying me or is he interrogating me?

Very serious young man.

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